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From: dwig@hermix.markv.com (Don Dwiggins)
Subject: Announcing: a forum for users of Analysis/Design CASE tools
Reply-To: Don Dwiggins <dwig@markv.com>
Organization: Mark V Systems Limited, Encino, Ca.
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:19:51 GMT
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Background: One of the most difficult things about developing software
products (as opposed to contract software) is trying to make them useful
(and usable) by broad segments of users, with varying needs and motivations.
Frequently, the principal feedback a vendor gets is in the form of personal
opinions of buyers who won't actually be using the tool themselves,
checklists of "hot features" published in periodicals, and contract
requirements for large quantity purchases.  There's little feedback
available from those attempting to use the tool daily to accomplish what
they need to get done.  For their part, users often feel at a loss as to how
to communicate their problems, needs, ideas, and wishes back to the vendors
with any chance of making a difference.

This forum has two major purposes: to provide a medium for users of
analysis/design CASE tools to communicate back to the vendors (not just
one vendor, via a "user's group" list), and to enable them to share
experiences, problems, recommendations (for or against), resources, tricks,
tips, etc.  The intent is for the entire community to benefit.

For this reason, Mark V Systems is hosting this mailing list, but will not
attempt to control its content in any way.  We wish to avoid even the
appearance of bias in administering the list (although, of course, our own
postings will no doubt reflect a certain point of view!).

To get the ball rolling, here's a list of questions, some of which might
provoke you to respond.  It's not intended as a survey, but feel free to
respond to it as one if you'd like.  If enough people do, we'll tally the
results and publish a profile.


- What's your biggest complaint about analysis/design tools?

- How many tools have you worked with?

- How many tools (of all types) do you use for your analysis/design tasks?
  How do you make them work together?  How would you like them to?

- What percent of the data in your designs is in the form of diagrams?
  Textual documents?  Databases?  Others?  How do you coordinate and
  correlate the different forms of information?

- Which methods have you used on development projects?  How much have you
  used them (work-days, number of pages of output, or whatever other measure
  seems appropriate)?

- What's the most important characteristic of your favorite tool that
  distinguishes it from others?  Same question for methods.  List more than
  one if appropriate.  What characteristic(s) would make it significantly
  more useful or easy to use?

- Do you use the tool(s) mostly in a team setting, or alone?  If in a team
  setting, how do you manage coordination and cooperation?  What are your
  major unmet needs in this area?

- How does the use of the tool fit into the overall process of development?
  How do you manage the coordination with other tasks and tools?

- What topics or issues would you most like to see discussed on this list?
  From what sources, if any, do you currently get this sort of information?


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